Draft monograph: Ecnoglutide — submissions
The 7 submissions received, published in full with declared interests and secretariat responses.
§2Submissions and responses
7 submissions were received. Each is published in full below with its declared interest, the secretariat response and the disposition. The Institute publishes submissions it did not accept in the same form as those it did.
Evidence for one member of the class is presented as evidence for this compound
The respondent submits on the draft monograph for Ecnoglutide. The observation arises from teaching the material rather than from prescribing it.
The draft supports a statement about this compound with a citation to a trial of a different compound in the same class. The respondent states that a class-level inference is a judgement that should be labelled as one rather than presented as direct evidence.
The respondent proposes that any class-level extrapolation be flagged at the point of use and excluded from the certainty rating for the compound itself.
The secretariat accepts this submission. Moderate certainty evidence supports several class-level statements in this area, but a class-level statement is not evidence about a particular member of the class.
Class-level inferences are now labelled at the point of use, are excluded from the certainty rating for the compound, and are reported in a separate subsection stating which compound the underlying evidence concerns.
Every contributing trial shares one sponsor and the monograph does not say so
The draft on Ecnoglutide is a substantial document and the respondent has confined this submission to one matter.
The respondent, who has published a systematic review of this literature, states that all of the contributing trials for the principal outcome were conducted by a single sponsor, and that this is a property of the evidence base rather than a criticism of any individual trial.
The respondent proposes that sponsor concentration be recorded as a characteristic of the evidence base in the certainty assessment rather than as a note in the discussion.
The secretariat accepts this submission. Sponsor concentration bears on what an independent replication would add, and the draft recorded it where a reader was least likely to see it.
Sponsor concentration is now stated with the certainty rating, and the monograph records how many independent sponsors contributed evidence to each assessed outcome.
The monograph should state what the compound costs
This submission concerns the draft on Ecnoglutide. The respondent assesses incretin-class evidence for a national body and comments in a personal capacity.
The respondent states that a reader deciding whether to pursue treatment needs to know what it costs, and that omitting price makes the assessment less useful than it could be.
The respondent proposes that a price range be recorded for each compound with the source and date.
The respondent supports submission 001 so far as it goes and adds the matter set out here.
The secretariat does not accept this submission. Price varies by jurisdiction, payer, presentation and date to a degree that no single figure could survive, and a stale price is worse than no price.
No price is recorded. The monograph records the presentations available and the regulatory status in each jurisdiction, which are the facts the Institute can verify and maintain. The submission remains published in full.
The analytical section assumes a reference standard that is not generally available
The draft on Ecnoglutide was read in full. The respondent notes at the outset that this class has an unusually deep randomised evidence base, and that a monograph on it is fairly judged against a higher standard than one on a compound with none.
The draft describes identity and content determinations that require a reference standard of assigned content. For this compound no such standard is in general circulation, and a laboratory following the section as written cannot perform the determination described.
The respondent, employed by a contract analytical laboratory, proposes that the monograph state explicitly where a reference standard is unavailable and what a determination performed without one can still establish.
The respondent read submission 002 after drafting this one and has not altered it, the two points being distinct.
The secretariat accepts this submission. The section described an ideal case and did not say so.
The analytical section now states whether a reference standard is in general circulation for this compound and, where it is not, states which determinations remain possible and which become qualitative. A content figure obtained without a reference standard is recorded as an estimate against a stated assumption rather than as a determination.
A superseded version should remain reachable from the version that replaced it
Having reviewed the draft on Ecnoglutide, the respondent makes a single submission, on the view that one point put clearly is more use to the secretariat than six put together.
The respondent states that the draft supersedes an earlier document and that a reader who cited the earlier version has no way to reach it from the new one, which makes it impossible to see what changed.
The respondent asks that every version carry a link both to what it supersedes and to what supersedes it.
Submission 001 concerns the same document. The respondent’s point is a different one.
The secretariat notes this submission. The corrections and versioning policy already requires bidirectional version links and every superseded document is retained at its own address.
No amendment arises. The requirement is stated in the corrections and versioning policy and the amendment log of this document links to the version it replaced. The respondent is correct that the link was absent from the draft page furnished for consultation, which was a defect of the consultation copy and not of the policy.
The analytical section is longer than the clinical assessment it accompanies
The respondent has read the draft monograph on Ecnoglutide against a caseload in which incretin analogues are prescribed daily.
The respondent states that the analytical section occupies more of the monograph than the assessment of clinical effect, and that the proportions imply the Institute considers the analytical question the more important one.
The respondent proposes that the analytical material be moved to the standards series and referenced rather than reproduced.
The secretariat accepts this submission in part. The general analytical material is moved to the standards series and referenced. The compound-specific material stays, because a reader holding a certificate for this compound needs to know what that certificate does and does not establish for this compound.
The analytical section is reduced to compound-specific content and cross-references the relevant standards for the general procedure, which shortens it substantially without removing what is not available elsewhere.
Registered trials that never reported are absent from the monograph
The respondent read the draft on Ecnoglutide alongside the approved labelling for the class, and submits on one matter arising.
The respondent states that the trial list appears to be drawn from published reports, and that registered trials which completed without a report are therefore invisible. The proportion of a programme that never reported is itself a finding about the evidence base.
The respondent proposes that every registered trial of the compound be listed, with its reporting status, whether or not a report exists.
The secretariat accepts this submission. A trial list built from publications reproduces publication bias in the shape of the document.
The trial list now includes every registered trial the Institute identified, with its reporting status stated, and the monograph reports the proportion of registered trials for which no result has been posted or published.
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- International Organization for Standardization. ISO/IEC 17025:2017 General Requirements for the Competence of Testing and Calibration Laboratories. ISO/IEC Standard 2017;3rd edition. identifier not held by the Institute
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